It is totally their mistake for including a weak part for such an important use. Is it possible at this mileage? Cold Start A Camshaft Position Timing Over-Retarded Bank 1. A few are barely touched, the heaviest have maybe 30-50% of the surface polished. My VIN is covered, you can check at bmw-rp.com, but NOT my mileage, the extended warranty offered by BMW for this issue is 7 years, 70,000 miles. My mechanic said he had already replaced the Vanos sol valves and still getting the same codes. due to a low oil pressure and chain noise.now iam having inlet and outlet vanos dtc . Anyways I spend 20 hours replacing the chain. Yes No Monday, July 19th, 2021 AT 7:22 AM How could I tell the time to open the engine is my best option. Think this is causing the pinging i was concerned about. Then I came up to a stop sign and the car stalled. I was thinking play in the flywheel. I went and checked the code: P13C9: VANOS, exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck. F30, N20 Drivetrain Malfunction Help wanted. Warranty. It starts and runs smooth, but It has DRIVETRAIN MALFUNCTION and CEL codes- p052b p054b p1338 p1339 p013cc. com,BMW N51 N52 N54 N55 Timing. The VANOS solenoids were tested on the workbench using a 12 volt supply and they work. Sheared cam bolts. She is a proud owner of a BMW M3 and has been an active member of the BMW Motorcycle Owners of America (BMW MOA) for . I have the same issue since last 2 weeks. Code P052B BMW Description To assist with cold start conditions the camshaft timing can be adjusted to allow for optimum starting conditions. With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. I dont know how serious this is,,,but your mechanic is right to remove the valve cover and inspect the timing chain and guide rails,,,,if that is ok the check the exhaust vanos unit and intake vanos units,,,,your faults are for the exhaust side,,,the boost charge fault is due to the exhaust vanos faults. Yes its possible the timing has jumped and thats why it wont start,,,now is your engine damage its hard to say without finding out what exactly is wrong with it. Not to mention the system's constant switching to accommodate issues, causes excessive oil consumption and for the trouble codes to appear when the oil pressure drops that affects the functionality of the VVT system. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? Refer to KSD2 for the corresponding flat rate unit (FRU) allowance. Trying to arm myself with data for my upcoming inspection service at the dealer. Just need to clear the check engine light. Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. Not the hard job I was imagining. and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. 00 inc vat N13 - BMW Timing chain replacement 599. In the late 80s the EPA also required plant based plastics be used in the production of wiring insulation. After installation, I now have a check engine light with the following codes: P052B (Cold Start "A" camshaft position timing over-retarded, bank 1), P054B (Cold start "B" camshaft Position timing over-retarded bank 1), P05CC (Cold Start "A" camshaft Position timing performance, bank 1), P13C0 (A' camshaft stuck, bank 1), P13C9 (B' camshaft stuck, The starter and engine appear to make no attempt to start. The car has done just over 30K Motorway driving is absolutely fine and after a long drive you cant usually hear anything. The camshaft position sensor is used to synchronize fuel injection and as a feedback device for VANOS (variable camshaft timing) control. There was so much plastic in the oil pan that the oil pump was sucking up pieces of plastic causing a oil pressure issue and causing more damage. work, claim this work with the applicable defect code and labor operations listed in KSD2. But thats not what happened. PROCEDURE Best Modern BMW Engine: B58. Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do I appreciate your help. 2D55 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable What codes would come up when the timing chain fails? So BMW knows all along the early N20/N26 has weak chain link and weak plastic . repairs to the engine valve train assembly. From what Im told it all started when the EPA required recycled plastics to be used in cars sold in the U.S. BMW decided to use recycled plastic for timing chain guides. OBD codes. Note that the desired angle was constant. My car have no error code, product 4/2012 with no tune. Hi bmw technician. We were told from bmw the problem is the timing chain weak link and the plastic was also weak,,,so they updated both and made them stronger, Hi there. Do you think it is worth paying $200 to do this? When a camshaft sensor fails, the check engine light will illuminate and a fault code will be stored. If one of the applicable faults listed above is not stored in the DME fault memory then continue It seems the edges of the link bars are not precision ground surfaces to begin with, it looks like they are made by punching them out of sheet, with most of the surface fairly cleanly sheared off and a thin line along one edge thats rougher. Thank you for the overview. Labor operation code 00 00 006 is a Main labor operation. Could anyone possibly lead me into the right direction? 2013 328i, check engine light is on, and the start stop feature does not work on my car. 2- i donated TO YOU but didnt see it go thru The engine was low water damaged. I live for failure analyses, just not on my own car engine! So I strongly suspect a poor tensioner design is the root cause, and other weak links hasten the system to failure. Bringing the BMW community together. Also is it possible the timing had jump and its not building oil pressure to start the car. There not much to tell you about chain stretch,,,,I think a lot has to do with the timing chain rail getting worn out or start to come apart and then the chain starts to loose tension because of the rails coming apart,,,then when we have a loose chain then we have timing issue. Hello again, hope you having great day!! But one of the passages might have had some trash in it. The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. Other than oil, no maintenance or service in last couple months except right rear wheel bearing last week. Your email address will not be published. BTW I checked my primary chain slack again last night; I had driven it since the first time I checked it, but as before the engine was fully cold. E84 and E89: - VANOS solenoid valve seized. Engine Light ON (or Service Engine Soon Warning Light) | Code P13C0 BMW Description The diagnostic function monitors the camshaft timing adjustment. CAUSE Thats important to know for later. unfortunately info on this N20 is almost none exist at best. I replaced botttboth sensors but the car still wont start. Thank You very much for your help. Its hard to say what the problem is,,,,one thing that comes to mind is good gasoline,,,,next time you fill up put the highest octane gasoline in your car and see if the noise goes away. The orange plastic I can see does not appear damaged. I've done the timing chain on my N20 along with the oil pump and I made sure to time them all correctly. The failure of this VVT self-test stems from the exceeded minimum calibration of the camshaft timing or it remains in an retarded position. Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. This article is strictly for information purposes only and the technical data and service bulletins for your specific vehicle should always take precedence. 2D61 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached Knocking sound also weakens when the engine gets to operating. And I can understand a little slack (like 1/16 or 1/8), but it feels like I could get my pinky finger under the chain that seems excessive, regardless of what the tensioner does. All wiring lines are good. Today I drove it 20 miles to several stores and it worked fine. The ECM is majorly affected with this kind of problem, which is why a technician should take a look at your vehicle if this trouble code or related ones appear. Its hard to say what the problem is with out hearing and driving the car,,,,I dont think the noise is timing chain because that makes a whining noise,,,the only leak could be a exhaust leak but you said the steering also shakes,,,have you had the tires and rims checked make sure rims are not bent,,,also check the rear transmission mount make sure they are not cracked or broken,,,also check the drive belt tensioner could be a problem. Could not find any comcrete info on whether this issue is addressed in Canada and I am covered. Is this true? should I buy timing lock kit to lock the cams and cranksshaft in place? Thank you. Code 130104 Vanos intake control fault camshaft stuck . Vehicle makes may include but aren't limited to VW, Audi, Ford, Nissan, Hyundai, BMW, Mini, Mercedes-Benz, Jeep, etc. Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? 4. If you do find your solenoid is not working well or something, get bmw ones, I read a lot of posts when I changed mine about non bmw ones making things worse and ultimately people ended up just buying bmw ones. I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. Owned Program. Hi, This is a great site!! But alas, it was indeed the ^%$*&! Please note the displayed battery voltage reading in the repair order comments section. E84 and E89 Hello I have a 2013 328i xdrive(72k) that I just had the timing chain, guides etc. For reasons I dont understand the faults are cleared. Perform a vehicle test. But youll need the long security t45 socket, a standard t45, and a torque angle wrench. diagnosis system checking faults) 126. I know I might be looking at replacing Vanos Actuator, central valve or the whole vanos unit. The engine sounds exactly the same as the first time it started after the timing chain installation. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RszUHEY3puQeb9HziF_Ke5CNnHnTHzV2/view?usp=sharing, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RvUT8xGJjlndf3-fRBawT5P9OLM-8N1_/view?usp=sharing, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S8SX_DUAEJsZGepHXwck8GHQPlYEg2Ni/view?usp=sharing. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Drain your oil, replace filter and re-fill with original BMW 5W30 or 0W30. now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. I have a 2013 528i xdrive. I can appreciate the design challenge of getting the tensioner force just right too much and it prematurely wears out the guides, chain, sprockets, bearings, etc. Or anything else you have come across? N20 vanos unit broken. E84 and E89: So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. When I get my oil changed next week, Im asking for the used oil to be strained, and borescope through the drain hole and fill cap hole, to look for evidence of failure (plastic bits primarily). I just ran into this exact problem. am i SAFE for the timing chain issues. 2D5A VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio, https://www.e90post.com/forums/showtight=whistling, https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-3-ST45/202913550, https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-t/83302333891/, https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2014V176-2716.pdf, https://www.homedepot.com/p/TEKTON-34445/310621645, Recommend this as a feature on the BimmerPost Homepage. To determine if any applicable Federal, State or BMW Emissions Warranty coverage applies prior My vehicle is 2012 bmw 328i at 108,000km. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: Hello there, loving your info. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable SUBJECT I replaced vanos solenoids and it kept it from dying when I would come to a stop, but the p052b code will come on for awhile and then go away. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Drives: BMW F10 F15 E39 E90 E53. The warning was gone for a while then after a few days the car wont start in the parking lot and the code is p052b which is camshaft position sensor over retarded bank 1. Not a great day when I found this but I got through the problem thanks to this group and all the helpful members. Posts. What do you mean about "long" t45? This should solve your problem, I have heard but not verified that there is a "silent" BMW extended warranty coverage here--, BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST, N20, N26, B46, B48 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications. Stop and starting the car there is no difference. three fault codes are New Member. Make sure that you check for any Technical Service Bulletins that could provide possible solutions for any problems since most vehicles have upgradeable software in their ECMs. There was junk trapped I've been told in the oil passages blocking lubrication of the crank etc The VANOS system works the hardest at idle as I understand. dtc are 131401 and 131501 . within the BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty and this coverage extends beyond the Emissions Warranty coverage that applies. And most likely a cold start issue as well. Recently purchased 2104 BMW X1 28i x drive. It possible a software issue,,,we have seen that before. Could it be the high pressure pump on the head? Preventative maintenance suggestions? Andreas first and foremost thank you for sharing your knowledge. The Z4 sDrive28i, X1 x/sDrive28i, 328i, 428i, 528i, 328iGT, 228i, X4 xDrive20i all recieved the exact same N20B20 as the X3 28i. I've done the timing chain on my N20 along with the oil pump and I made sure to time them all correctly. This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. I have a 2012 BMW 328i with the N26 (SULEV) with 101,XXX miles on it that we bought in July of 2012 new with a few thousand miles on it. IMHO, most BMW engine are reliable, it's the stuff surrounding the engine that goes out early and cost an arm and leg to fix. 2D56 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. Just want to follow up what should I check next. The documentation claimed that it would take one minute for the VANOS cold start faults to appear. The BMW X3 28i is not the only model BMW that received the N20 in 2013. During highway driving the car drives fine. So the orange chain guides we see in all the photos/videos of used engines are only that way due to the oil getting into the plastic. The oil temperature was 90 C. Once the car started without faults the oil level check worked fine. Hi. I will call a bmw dealership to get info. Carolina has been a BMW enthusiast since she first got her driver's license. The car ran for a mile or so then seized. hi.. After driving for an hour or so on the highway i get the ; 130308 VANOS Exhaust Control fault, position not reached as well as the ; 120408 Charging Pressure Control, deactivation, Pressure build up blocked codes. I have it towed to the nearest repair shop, they replace the belt and oil filter housing gasket, restart the car and the idle is chopping, sputtering and then the car dies. One or more of the following faults is stored in the Again. 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. Work time (WT) labor operation 61 00 006 requires an individual punch time. They don't have a BT cable but hook up an OBDII scanner and there is a 3100 limp mode code, P0305, P0302, P0300 and P052B, P054B . Appreciate 0 Quote 08-06-2020, 02:07 PM #5: slas1990. Hall effect, Variable reluctant sensor, etc. F40Model Year: 2019 + Previous Generations; F20 / F21Model Year: 2012 - 2018. Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? Normally due to cold start up. Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. It revs fine but with the turbo disabled a drive around the block is at a pedestrian pace. I will gather tools and bolts and then have to resign myself to pulling the VC. Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). Went well and all seemed good. 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached Maybe I should replace them? Got quoted 3.2k cad$ by a mechanic to get it fixed. Thanks for your time. This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing 61 00 720 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? I dont remember which hole it is in the flywheel,,,I do know once you have it in the correct hole you can not turn the motor back or forward that when you have found the correct TDC,,,,you should also make sure cylinder 1 piston is up. Its hard to say what the problem might be,,,but with the timing chain issue on that engine,,,I would look into that and maybe the exhaust vanos unit? Truth is, your engine's ideal timing would adjust according to varying conditions. 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached Code 131501 returned. Sorry for the confusion, I understand you have the N20 engine,,,,what Im saying on the N20 engine the vans unit failing is not a common problem like the N51,,,,,on the N20 engine there are no replacement bolts for the vanos unit not like the N51. (LogOut/ Thank you Daniel 219 days ago Automotive Expert Code P052B R A Diesel Tech 3.07K subscribers Subscribe 15K views 3 years ago. Hi Andraes, has BMW field engineers offer any explanation how this whole mechanism failed? E84 F25 Hey I have a 2012 528i xdrive, Im getting misfires on all 4 cylinders and also a p1339 code. 1/2/3/4/5 x3x4x5x6 f18n201/2/3/4/5 x3x4x5x6 f18n20,! When I go to accelerate now, the engine lags. Would I be covered under the 7/70k extended warranty ? Any idea what could be the issue. So I thing exhaust vanos is not working, or not working correctlycan I get in touch with you? The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. what, me? What would happen if I resent the adaptations with increment wheel/. Found a low mileage used engine for $4800. WARRANTY INFORMATION Youtube helped me tons. I have the same issue. P054B (Cold Start B Camshaft Position Timing Over-Retarded Bank 1) is a code that alerts the operator that the ECM monitored an "overly"- retarded VVT position for camshaft timing on bank 1. (not including CAS) Hi, thank you for the reply. my mechanic told me there is a whining noise and I can hear it too. Do you have the same problem? Hi bmwtechnician, If its level then its likely to be a bit louder. I think it probably went into auto stop/start at the light prior to the limp mode event. 130304 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck Page 2 of 4 Sounds like wrong oil. Thanks. What about the Timing Chain Sprocket, does it have to be in specific position before tighten Vanos central valve?! Page 4 of 4 I really appreciate if you can have an input on it. . Tried new battery. Yes, tricky to work out. It sounds like thats where its coming from. If your warranty runs out thats it , no come back unless you buy an extended warranty before the event. Where's the location of this? Yes that slight movement in the timing chain is normal. Or maybe I dont understand lawyer-speak. 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed Two days were spent clearing fault codes and performing function tests. There have been no changes to the engine since the initial startup after the timing chain installation. I have told the SAs and foremen to check timing chain in the past dealer oil changes, they just informally listened and looked, and said all was good. A dealer foreman listened to my N26(almost 7 years and 60k+ miles) and said there was no whine. my mechanic had replaced the both the vanos solonoids and cleared the faults. 99 New. (LogOut/ Just replaced timing chain and oil pump module on n20 13 528i xdrive. Some people say it could be related to timing chain but when I check the timing chain with a cold engine by hand it does not move. Or turbo charger, Do you guys fix the issue ?! Thats very sad,,,,I wonder why only certain countries have coverage and some dont. It's always a good idea to refer to your specific model's service information first. At cruising speed it's hardly working I'm told. If you are using a Main labor code for Seems like the locking pins are stuck. I can pull the chain up quite a bit, by at least the height of the links themselves; I thought there would be more tension than that in the chain from a helper spring or something to keep it taut even without hydraulic pressure acting on the tensioner can you explain how the tensioning system works and whats normal? The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. Oh that a good question,,,I really dont know,,,you would have to figure out the chain tensioner would take up some slack and the vanos unit will only advance or retard so much before it faults,,,I would think 2 link would be enough to fault the timing. I have seen faulty sensors cause engine stalling and poor engine drivability. The car ran for a mile or so then seized. $99. I actually think thats causing the noise. Do you know if the new Vanos assemblies comes with the upgraded bolts or do I still need to change out the 4 Vanos Gear bolts on a new assembly? It should show something like incorrect angle/position.
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